[00:04] Introduction
Patrick Francey:
Hi there, and welcome to The Everyday Millionaire Podcast. My name is Patrick Francey, and I am your host.
I want to begin by saying thank you for listening. On this show, I have conversations with seemingly ordinary individuals who have achieved some amazing and extraordinary results in both their life and business.
My intention is to inspire and help you learn and grow by having my guests share their journey, how they faced and overcame their challenges, but also how they celebrate their many wins.
Now let’s get on with this show and have a conversation with today’s guest.
My guest today, Thoryn Stephens, is working at the edge of where science, AI, human behavior, and biology all collide.
He is the founder and CEO of Brain.One, an AI-powered platform built to turn research into real-world health protocols that help people think sharper, age slower, and perform at the highest level.
With a background as a molecular biologist and data scientist, Thoryn has spent the better part of two decades in digital transformation, predictive analytics, and applied science, working with organizations tied to names like GlaxoSmithKline, Unilever, and Fox Networks.
What makes his work especially relevant right now is that he’s not looking at health as a symptom to manage. He’s looking at it as a system to understand, measure, and optimize.
His focus sits at the intersection of neuroscience, behavior design, and adaptive AI, with the goal of building a more prevention-first, measurable, and scalable model for human performance and well-being.
He has spoken on stages including the Wharton School, Wired London, Cannes Lions, and ClickZ Hong Kong, and he brings both scientific depth and practical application to a conversation that matters to anyone who wants to perform better, think clearer, and live with more intention.
He’s based in Aspen, Colorado, and Thoryn also lives what he teaches as an Ironman triathlete, backcountry snowboarder, and lifelong student of consciousness.
Without any further delays, let’s get this show started.
Thoryn Stephens, welcome to the show. Thanks for joining me.
Thoryn Stephens:
So great to be here.
[02:40] What Do You Do Today?
Patrick:
When I look at bios, I like to open the show this way because bios are often not current. Most of the individuals I’m interviewing have a lot of things going on.
So I really like to open the show with a fundamental question to my guests, which is, if somebody walks up to Thoryn today and says, “What do you do?” what’s your answer to that question?
Thoryn Stephens:
Great question.
My background is in molecular biology and biotechnology, and my current focus is building a health technology platform that builds health protocols for users looking to solve a specific problem ranging from brain health to women’s health to peptide support.
[03:26] The Journey from Biotech to Health Optimization
Patrick Francey:
Where did you get on that journey? That’s very high level, so what got you to a point where you’re solving those kinds of problems?
What was the journey, or some of the journey, that led up to where you are today?
Thoryn Stephens:
I began my career as a molecular biologist working in biotech.
What I found in my twenties was that I could genetically modify nearly any model organism. Then I transitioned from biotech into data science, and I began to build systems focused on user measurement and optimization. I did that at scale for a number of large brands.
The through line throughout my career has really been measurement, at the end of the day. Measuring enzymatic activity on a molecular level, or measuring human activity and behavior, and then optimization fundamentally.
A couple of things occurred.
One is that in my twenties, I had always been pretty athletic. I was a big skier. I live in Colorado, and I’m a skier and snowboarder. I began trail running and doing marathons, and then marathons led to triathlons, and triathlons led to Ironman distance.
It was through that experience that I began to optimize my own biology. I use the term “tuning my biology,” using wearables like this Garmin that I have.
What I was able to see in the data was that I could optimize my biology by using the data and improve my performance. Ultimately, I could attenuate my lactate threshold so I could go stronger, faster, and longer on the bike or on the run.
That was a pretty eye-opening part of my life, and that was in my twenties.
Fast forward into my thirties and forties, I continued to do triathlons. Then in my career, I went out of biotech, into technology, and then into private equity.
About two and a half years ago, I had this moment where I realized I wanted to come back to my purpose of science. That’s ultimately where I started our current company, called Adaptive AI Health.One.
Brain.One is one of our properties focused on neurological optimization. It’s the idea that humans are more efficient, productive, and potentially happier when they have a structured framework to follow.
That went back to my days in triathlon, but now we’ve been building health protocols to help people do things like prevent dementia.
We’ll take a scientific paper, summarize it, and then give them a structured framework to follow, really based on behavior and helping them reach their health goals through that type of structured framework.
[06:15] Peak Performance vs Everyday Health
Patrick Francey:
There’s a lot of range between just being healthy day to day and higher performance, like trying to achieve bigger goals in triathlons or other competitive pursuits.
Are you focused on individuals who simply want a healthier life, or are you focused on higher-performing athletes, or everything in between? What’s the main focus of who is really interested in the work you’re doing?
Thoryn Stephens:
Great question.
I live in Colorado, and many of my friends and family are what you’d consider peak performance humans. We’re optimizing our biology and our health.
My mother has actually done more Ironmans than I have, so it definitely runs in the blood.
Initially, we were looking at the peak performance cohort of humans. But of course, we want these protocols to be accessible for anyone.
As an example, we have a dementia prevention protocol that all of our grandparents and parents should probably be reading and following right now.
Arguably, people in their twenties and thirties should know these basic principles as well to help stave off and prevent diseases like dementia.
[07:43] Dementia, Genetics, and Lifestyle
Patrick Francey:
In all your research, and I have some personal experience with dementia through my father-in-law who is 98 years old, is there a cause of dementia that you’ve identified where people can say, “If I want to avoid that outcome, there are things I should be doing”?
Thoryn Stephens:
Certainly.
Taking a step back, you have neurodegeneration. You have diseases like Alzheimer’s where there’s a genetic predisposition. In that case, there’s not a lot you can do to completely prevent the disease, but there are things you can do to delay the onset or progression.
Similarly with dementia, you have causes like tau proteins and amyloid plaque buildup in the brain.
Again, you may not completely stop the onset of disease, but you can support slowing the progression.
We’re big believers in lifestyle and micro habits.
We are an artifact of the decisions we make throughout the day. Behavior plays a large role in gene expression.
My background is as a molecular biologist. I was part of the generation that sequenced the human genome in the late 1990s and early 2000s during the Craig Venter Human Genome Project.
At the time, we were very optimistic that we could unlock the secrets of human health and drug discovery. Unfortunately, it wasn’t that simple.
You have your DNA blueprint, but then you have the proteome, which is the expression of your DNA through RNA into proteins.
What’s really happening in between matters. You have the metabolome, transcriptome, and epigenome, which is how your DNA is modified and expressed.
There’s actually a lot you can do that remains within your control.
You might have a genetic predisposition, but there are lifestyle changes and micro habits you can implement daily to improve your health.
That’s where I lead with optimism because we do have the ability to influence a meaningful amount of our gene expression.
[10:33] Personalized Health Protocols
Patrick Francey:
That’s a relatively new concept becoming more mainstream.
I’ve always been pretty focused on health, training, supplementation, understanding my body, and generally staying healthy.
At 68 years old, I can still crank out pull-ups, push-ups, and all the things. But I’ve noticed more aches, pains, and inflammation creeping in with age.
I’m still convinced inflammation can be managed through diet or supplementation.
When you talk about micro habits, that seems really key. Is your process one where somebody comes in, gets tested, and then you assess what’s going on before making recommendations?
Thoryn Stephens:
Exactly.
Generally, we look at a multimodal approach.
We look at biometrics coming from wearables. If somebody doesn’t have a wearable, no problem. We can also do facial scans or voice biometrics.
From voice biometrics alone, we can extract around ten biomarkers, including strong correlations to heart rate variability.
You can hear stress in someone’s voice, and it’s a very good indicator of stress levels.
From facial scans, we can get about thirty biomarkers with strong correlations to blood pressure, HRV, and other health markers.
We also look at blood biomarkers and qualitative assessments around stress, anxiety, and overall human functioning.
We build a baseline over about a week. Then from there, we craft a personalized protocol or adapt an off-the-shelf protocol for that individual.
Typically, we work in ninety-day cycles where people optimize their health through measurable, incremental changes.
One of the biggest issues in health is that people do things but don’t actually know whether they’re working. That’s one of the problems we’re trying to solve.
[15:24] What a Health Protocol Actually Looks Like
Patrick Francey:
Can you give me an example of a protocol for an average person?
Thoryn Stephens:
Absolutely.
First, let’s define protocol.
When I was sequencing DNA in the lab, I followed protocols, meaning structured frameworks and sequences of steps.
Health protocols are really the same thing. They’re structured routines.
Usually they’re divided into morning, afternoon, and evening practices.
A micro habit is simply a small thing you do consistently.
For example, when you wake up in the morning, what are the five things you do regularly?
What’s your daily routine?
Patrick Francey:
For me, I never really wake up to an alarm clock unless I’m worried about missing a flight.
I wake naturally after six and a half or seven hours.
I wear an Apple Watch, so I track sleep, steps, heart rate, all those things.
Mentally, I prepare myself for the day with positive self-talk.
I walk out to my office and try to get fresh air.
I do five or ten minutes on a rebounder trampoline.
I do journaling before I get into my day.
A couple days a week my trainer comes in and I do workouts.
We live on five acres, so I stay active. It’s very functional movement.
I also hydrate with water and Celtic salt and take supplements throughout the day.
Thoryn Stephens:
That’s fascinating. You already have a pretty defined health protocol.
For me, I wake up and hydrate immediately. I generally intermittent fast and don’t eat until around 8:00 AM.
I try to get as much direct sunlight as possible.
I may do prayer or meditation.
I do hot Pilates three or four days a week because I get stretching, heavy weights, cardio, and the catharsis of sweating all in one session.
That’s an example of my protocol.
What we’re really trying to do is help humans establish what their routine already is, put it on paper, and then optimize it with additional micro habits that support their goals.
The foundations are fairly simple:
- • Nutrition
- • Exercise
- • Sleep
- • Stress management
- • Connection
- • Metabolic support
We’ve analyzed thousands of longevity protocols, and people are always looking for the secret hack or peptide.
But the reality is that longevity still comes back to those six pillars.
[20:14] Why Consistency Matters More Than Hacks
Patrick Francey:
This is such an interesting conversation for me because I’ve always been focused on health.
I did half marathons and lots of training over the years, and I’ve always paid attention to my health.
My question at this stage of life is really about what it takes to truly be healthy.
You, as an Ironman athlete, are pushing yourself physically and mentally. But I’ll give you an example.
My mom passed away last June at almost 98 years old. She was never an athlete, but every day she walked. That was her thing.
So for listeners who aren’t elite athletes but want to improve their health, does what you’re doing matter to the average person trying to lose twenty pounds or just become healthier?
Thoryn Stephens:
Absolutely.
Your mother is a great example. She lived to 98, so she clearly did something right.
Walking is actually one of the best examples of a powerful micro habit.
It doesn’t need to be fast or long, but consistency matters.
When you walk after eating, it helps digestion. You’re getting fresh air and often being in nature, which is another important micro habit.
Walking can also create social connection if you encounter other people along the way.
So one simple habit can check multiple important boxes.
These principles apply to every human being.
For example, we’re giving away dementia prevention protocols because the statistics are staggering. There are around 55 million global dementia cases, and research suggests nearly half could potentially be prevented through lifestyle changes and small behavioral shifts.
Even though we all have a DNA blueprint, behavior can dramatically influence expression.
That’s actually very empowering.
[24:31] Quick Fixes and Human Behavior
Patrick Francey:
Do you find people are looking for a magic switch?
These things take time, but people want the result tomorrow.
We tend to focus so much on the outcome that we miss the importance of the process.
People want their lives to change, but they don’t actually want to change.
As you work with clients, are you helping them through those mental barriers?
Thoryn Stephens:
One hundred percent.
That’s human nature. People want a pill and immediate change.
That’s part of why we’re seeing such an explosion in GLP-1 use across North America.
Patrick Francey:
What is GLP-1?
Thoryn Stephens:
GLP-1s are peptides. Examples would include Ozempic or Retatrutide.
You inject them and lose weight very quickly because they suppress appetite.
There are positives, but there are also side effects like muscle loss and other complications.
Personally, I think micro-dosing GLP-1s is probably a better approach, though I’m not a doctor.
People are looking for magic bullets.
The bigger issue is behavior change. Even if the medication works, what does it look like to eventually come off those drugs?
What lifestyle are you building behind the scenes?
That’s the hardest part.
I’ve built large-scale analytical systems for massive brands, and the technology itself isn’t the hardest part. Human behavior is.
[27:44] Peptides, Recovery, and Biohacking
Patrick Francey:
Do you find people are looking for a magic switch?
There’s so much noise now around peptides.
A friend of mine said he tried BPC-157 and it changed everything for him.
What exactly are peptides?
Thoryn Stephens:
GLP-1s themselves are peptides.
BPC-157 and TB-500 are very common peptides in athletic circles. Together they’re often called the Wolverine Stack.
A peptide is essentially a short chain amino acid that helps support cellular signaling pathways.
BPC-157 is probably one of the most researched peptides available.
I’ve personally used peptides for years in the triathlon world long before they became mainstream.
We were also doing things like red light therapy years ago before it became popular.
Now it’s all over mainstream wellness culture.
Just recently, RFK Jr. changed classifications around several peptides in the United States, which may make physician access easier and safer.
BPC-157 is especially helpful for inflammation and recovery.
When I was training for races with high volume, I would cycle in BPC-157 and TB-500 to improve recovery.
Then I could measure the impact using wearables and biometrics like sleep quality and HRV.
That feedback loop is incredibly important.
Most people take supplements or peptides without really knowing whether they’re helping.
We try to bridge the qualitative side, how you feel, with quantitative biomarker improvements.
[31:46] Wearables, Measurement, and Self-Awareness
Patrick Francey:
My own experience is that measuring things helps keep me focused.
Years ago, somebody asked me why I was so focused on my health and whether I was trying to live longer.
I said I didn’t necessarily know if I’d live longer, but I knew I wanted a great quality of life while I was alive.
That’s the goal.
At this stage, I look at my body and training differently than I did in my thirties.
What role does normal supplementation play in your protocols?
Thoryn Stephens:
It depends.
We primarily work B2B with clinicians and longevity clinics, so recommendations often happen through medical professionals.
One challenge with supplements is figuring out whether they’re actually working.
Most people are doing many things simultaneously, supplements, peptides, nutrition changes, exercise, so it’s difficult to isolate variables.
That’s where measurement becomes valuable.
Another point you made that I strongly agree with is quality of life.
There’s a guy named Brian Johnson who may be one of the most measured humans on the planet.
He tracks everything.
But you also have to ask whether somebody is truly living their best life.
For many people, his protocols would feel too extreme.
He avoids sunlight, stops eating early in the day, and follows extremely rigid systems.
I think it’s important to maintain quality of life.
Have the occasional glass of wine. Enjoy life with family and friends.
The wearable data is useful, but you don’t want it to dominate your emotional state.
If your sleep score is low, you don’t want that score dictating your entire day.
The data matters, but so does simply asking yourself how you actually feel.
[36:16] Alcohol, Moderation, and Quality of Life
Patrick Francey:
It really comes back to enjoying the process.
I’ve been intermittent fasting for years now.
I also quit drinking a couple of years ago, aside from maybe some champagne on special occasions.
I didn’t quit because I had a problem. I quit because I started asking myself why I was drinking at all if I knew alcohol was toxic.
My wife still enjoys wine, and that’s totally fine.
But if somebody asked me what changed after quitting drinking, I’d honestly say I don’t really know.
I just decided I’d rather get my calories from food than wine.
What you’re talking about is really about process. None of these things happen overnight.
People want the Ozempic effect because it’s immediate.
But what I’m hearing from you is that even with these protocols, this is still a long-term process built around micro habits and incremental change.
Thoryn Stephens:
Exactly.
Small incremental changes compound over time.
Even the smallest thing, like your mother walking daily, likely influenced her physiology and mental health.
It’s never too late to start.
[38:41] Benchmarks, Biometrics, and HRV
Patrick Francey:
I’ve always paid attention to things like resting heart rate.
For me, if my resting heart rate is between 53 and 56, I know I’m in a good range.
I’m not a runner anymore because I feel like intense cardio beats my body up too much at this stage.
Now I focus more on things like rebounding and walking.
Do you think there’s a gap in people understanding what healthy benchmarks actually are?
Thoryn Stephens:
Absolutely.
You should look at benchmarks relative to age, gender, and even geography.
That data exists online and can help provide context.
At the same time, everything is highly individualized.
For example, my HRV tends to be quite high, sometimes between 80 and 100.
For another athlete I recently spoke with, his HRV was around 20, despite being incredibly fit physically.
So ultimately, the numbers themselves are less important than trends over time.
You’re really competing against yourself.
You look at your baseline and ask whether your metrics are improving or declining relative to your own averages.
Then you factor in stress, family, work, and all the things impacting your life.
From there, you build a toolkit.
If your HRV is declining, what can you do to support recovery?
Maybe it’s breath work. Maybe it’s cold plunging.
The important thing is finding the micro habits that work for you personally.
[42:06] Thoryn’s Background and Entrepreneurial Journey
Patrick Francey:
This all seems incredibly complex to me.
How did you end up on this path and eventually become an entrepreneur?
Was it nature or nurture? Were your parents entrepreneurial?
Thoryn Stephens:
Great question.
I was always interested in science.
When I went to college, I initially planned to study biochemistry but eventually moved into molecular biology.
That scientific training shaped how I think about the world, systems, structure, protocols, and frameworks.
Then in my twenties, endurance sports became another major influence.
Triathlons and marathons deepened my understanding of biology through direct personal experimentation.
A couple years ago, I really returned to my roots in science.
There was actually a defining moment that pushed me fully into this work.
I live in Colorado and snowboard aggressively.
One winter, I was doing a backside 540, a one-and-a-half rotation spin, on a run I normally do every day.
I landed badly and broke my clavicle.
I went to one of the top orthopedic clinics in the country, The Steadman Clinic.
The doctor looked at the X-rays and said, “You’ve been skiing on this for two weeks? You’re crazy.”
Then she handed me a sling and said, “See you in six weeks.”
That was basically my recovery protocol.
I went back to my scientific network and asked for ideas.
The advice centered around nutrition, collagen, bone broth, recovery support, and PEMF therapy, which is pulsed electromagnetic field therapy.
It uses electrical frequencies to support recovery and potentially stimulate bone healing.
I also focused heavily on nutrition.
When I went back four weeks later instead of six, the doctor looked at the scans and said she had never seen somebody heal that quickly.
She asked what I had been doing.
I told her I focused heavily on nutrition.
Her response was, “We never would have thought of that.”
That moment really galvanized Brain.One and Adaptive AI Health for me.
Nutrition is foundational.
Food truly is medicine.
[46:38] Disease Care vs Healthcare
Patrick Francey:
That really highlights something I’ve thought about for years.
What we call healthcare is actually mostly disease care.
We wait until people are sick and then intervene.
Real healthcare would focus on prevention and optimization, which is the work you’re doing.
Nutrition isn’t even part of traditional medical training, which has always seemed strange to me.
What do you want people to understand about Brain.One?
What’s the larger mission?
Thoryn Stephens:
The mission is to reach one billion humans and help them optimize their brains and biology.
We want to do that through hyper-personalized health protocols that provide structured frameworks people can follow.
This summer we’re opening access to the general public through a new app.
We’ll also be giving away one million dementia prevention protocols.
The idea is very simple.
Humans benefit from structure.
Put your routine on paper.
What are the five things you do every morning? The five things you do every evening?
What are your actual goals?
When we talk to people, the same issues come up over and over:
Almost everybody is struggling with those three things.
The good news is you can start making meaningful changes immediately without spending a lot of money.
The diagnostics can become expensive later, but the foundational habits themselves are accessible to almost everyone.
Small changes truly can have lifelong impact.
[50:00] Stress, Nervous System Regulation, and Connection
Patrick Francey:
I love that you include sleep and stress in the conversation.
My own experience is that our physical state is often a manifestation of what’s happening mentally and emotionally.
There’s a phrase I like to use:
“It’s not the weight we carry that breaks us down. It’s the way we carry the weight.”
How we manage stress and interpret life’s challenges matters enormously.
Years ago, I was running a startup company with millions of dollars at risk and a tremendous amount of pressure.
One day I stopped at a Tim Hortons in Canada during a booming economy. The place was packed and understaffed.
I watched a woman behind the counter who was clearly a supervisor. She was completely overwhelmed.
I remember thinking that despite making maybe ten dollars an hour, she was probably carrying more visible stress than I was while running a multi-million dollar company.
That moment really hit me.
Stress is not always about circumstances. It’s about how we carry them.
To me, stress management has to be one of the most important pieces of overall health.
Would you agree?
Thoryn Stephens:
Absolutely.
Stress is the killer.
That’s why we try to empower people with tools to better manage their stress and regulate their nervous systems.
Your example was a really powerful analogy.
The question becomes: what do you do with stress?
For me personally, I use things like hot Pilates or long bike rides.
But you don’t need to do sixty-mile bike rides.
You can simply go for a walk in nature.
Connection and purpose are also critically important.
People who have strong connection and purpose tend to live ten to twelve years longer than people who don’t.
These are all tools that help regulate the nervous system and support resilience.
The challenge is that we’re not really taught these things.
You can go through school, university, and even medical training without ever learning nutrition or nervous system regulation.
The good news is that many of these tools are free.
If you can’t afford a sauna or cold plunge, you can take a cold shower.
When I’m in Colorado, I’ll jump into the river for ninety seconds during snow melt. That water is only a couple degrees Celsius.
But again, these tools are accessible.
You don’t need expensive protocols to begin improving your life.
You just need to start.
[54:09] Food, Sugar, and Moderation
Patrick Francey:
I find this whole topic fascinating.
When I began understanding that food is essentially a drug and deeply affects physiology and mood, everything changed.
One example is sugar.
Try cutting sugar out completely and then experience the withdrawals.
Then have one bite of chocolate and suddenly you want seven more chocolate bars.
The impact food has on your body, mood, and thinking is dramatic.
I generally eat pretty clean now.
But if I go off the rails for one evening and eat poorly, I literally wake up feeling what I call a food hangover.
It’s not because I overate. It’s because of what I ate.
When your baseline is clean nutrition, you really notice the difference when you deviate from it.
Thoryn Stephens:
One hundred percent.
But I also think it’s important to allow yourself flexibility.
As regimented as I am with training and optimization, life is still about quality of life.
It’s okay to occasionally have a glass of wine or ice cream.
You shouldn’t create additional anxiety around those moments.
I personally try to live a mostly zero-sugar lifestyle, but sometimes life happens.
Unless you’re training for something extremely specific, most people don’t need perfection.
I really believe in moderation and self-forgiveness.
That applies to data tracking as well.
You don’t want to create additional stress by obsessing over every metric.
Otherwise you defeat the purpose.
[57:29] Rapid Fire Questions
Patrick Francey:
As we start to wind down, I like to ask a few rapid-fire questions that aren’t really rapid-fire.
Apple or Android?
Thoryn Stephens:
Apple.
Patrick Francey:
I’m surprised by that. I would’ve expected more of a PC guy from your science background.
Thoryn Stephens:
Apple is just higher efficiency. Everything is interconnected. Apple Watch, ecosystem, all of it.
[58:02] Music and Creativity
Patrick Francey:
Are you a music guy? Favorite band, favorite song, anything music related?
Thoryn Stephens:
Absolutely.
I’ve been playing drums since I was about six years old.
Actually, I’m releasing a song in the next month or so with my chief scientist.
As far as favorite music goes, that’s tough, but Radiohead would definitely be high on the list.
[58:37] Favorite Movie
Patrick Francey:
Favorite movie?
Thoryn Stephens:
That’s another hard one because I don’t watch many movies anymore.
But I’d probably say Pink Floyd: The Wall.
[58:57] Books That Changed His Life
Patrick Francey:
Is there a book that really stands out for you? Something that impacted your life or shifted your perspective?
Thoryn Stephens:
There are probably three, but one that really stands out is The Teachings of Don Juan by Carlos Castaneda.
It was published in 1967 and explores his experiences with a Native medicine man and plant medicine traditions.
[59:31] Spirituality and Nature
Patrick Francey:
What you do is obviously highly intellectual and science-driven.
But you mentioned meditation earlier.
Do you also have a spiritual side? Is there a philosophy or belief system that takes you beyond pure intellect?
Thoryn Stephens:
Definitely.
I grew up around more Eastern philosophies and religions ranging from Hindu teachings like the Bhagavad Gita to Buddhism.
I’d say I’m deeply spiritual.
For me, nature is really my church.
[1:00:17] If There Is a God
Patrick Francey:
If there is a God, what would you like to hear God say when you get to the gates?
Thoryn Stephens:
That I lived the best and most active life possible.
[1:00:31] Gratitude
Patrick Francey:
What are you grateful for, Thoryn?
Thoryn Stephens:
I wake up every morning grateful for the life I live.
I was recently married, so I’m very grateful for my wife, our lifestyle in Colorado, the mountains, clean air, clean water, and nutritious food.
[1:00:52] Closing Reflections
Patrick Francey:
I’m always grateful for my wife because without her I would not be where I am today.
I’m grateful for family and for this podcast platform because it gives me the opportunity to meet such a wide range of people and have amazing conversations.
I often joke that even if nobody listened to my podcast, I’d still do it because I genuinely love these conversations and hearing different perspectives.
Thoryn, thank you for your time and for sharing your insights and wisdom today.
Thoryn Stephens:
Thank you, Patrick.
It was a great conversation. I appreciate the time and your listeners.
Just remember, it’s never too late, and we do control some percentage of our biology. We can absolutely make positive change.
[1:01:49] Outro
Patrick Francey:
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for listening.
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I look forward to hearing from you.
Until next time, I’m Patrick Francey.
